Bar Fights

[fordperf]

a little alcohol brings out the asshole in anybody.

the last bar fight i was in i think i was 19? went to see Battery at the wreck room in lodi. eventually you grow (mentally) out of it. now if someone wants to start something i just offer him a beer and lets get on with our lives. i could care less. unless he put his hands on a girl i was with, or really dug into her verbally, it's not worth the hassle.  i got shot at in newark for less.

[TheGerman]

Ahh the bar fight issue  .......

You are never too old for a good fight!

Bar fights themselves used to be no big deal, while I was in the military they were actually part of a good night out. The problem is that with all the ghetto trash spilling into Morristown latley, it often does not just remain a simple fight.

During the last 4 weeks I had a gun pulled on me once and another one of those morons threatened me in front of the cops after I knocked his gang bangin ass down  . They searched his car because he claimed to have a gun and found a loaded 9mm and some coke  . Too damn difficult here in Jersey to get a Concealed carry liscense!

Pearl River it is you say.........sounds like a damn good time up there.

BTW the toughest fighters you will find all across are usually older than mid-twentys and some are  more like 40.

[HDawesome]

I dont know. I have been in bar fights, I have watched bar fights, I have instigated bar fights. To me, its something you just have to deal with when you go to a bar. A fight breaks out, just hold your beer over your head and try to keep from getting knocked in the cross fire and the bouncers will have it settled in a few minutes.

Having been in and apart of scuffles before I have learned this, no one really wants to fight anyone. No guy wants to have to walk around with a Fat Lip or Black Eye for the rest of the week cause some idiot spilled a beer on him. The majority of the fights I have seen (EVEN fights anyhow) never get beyond a shouting match and a couple shoves. Also I have seen a group knock around a guy or two, but in that instance, the fear of you in a group yourself getting hit is greatly reduced.

Sometimes though a dude does need a good shot and I find it hard to believe that any guy on here is going to have the restraint to be personally insulted and turn the other cheek (or even buy the guy a beer) That sounds like BS too me.

The other night, a few weeks ago, me and my buddies were all hanging out at this bar and some drunk asshole comes up and pulls my buddy Joeys girlfriend onto the dance floor putting his hands all over her and shit. She says to him that she has a Boyfriend and gets away from him, back to my boy Joey. Joey had was pretty laid back at that point in the night and was just trying to enjoy himself you know like "Whatever, the guy is drunk there is no point to press the issue." Then the dude comes over to my friend Joey and says something like "Well, if she is your girl she shouldnt be trying to dance with other guys." Which she wasn't and this guy obviously though he could intimidate Joey or something, till the rest of us all came out of the woodwork. So this guy backs off then comes back about an hour or so later with like 4 or 5 of his CREW, and now its developing into a problem.

My recollection of the whole thing is pretty hazy ( I was at a bar after all, and I drink) but even with this guys 5 other friends there was still about 15 of us around (dollar drafts cause us all to congregate.) After some words everyone is outside and all kinds of shit is going on. The rest of the story is really beyond the point, what I am getting at is sometimes fighting is the only way to solve or chase away a problem. Especially when some low life is putting his hands on a girl ... I dont stand for that.

Then again, Violence never ends anything right?

.. you know, minus Nazism and Slavery.

[MoebiusSA]

Okay...first off, JMW...I'm so going to Pearl River, NY to meet some mic women.   Being a potato chucker myself it would be interesting for me there.  Sort of finding home.  As for the whole bar fight things...I think it's kinda stupid.  I've been a couple scuffles, and I regretted all of them.  It seems to me that most fights occur towards the end of the night when everyone get's a little toasted.  People (well, I really should say guys) do stupid things when they get their load on.  I prefer to talk the whole thing out and buy them  a drink to get it over with.  This proves two things (which I might add gains points with the women...lol), first off, that you aren't a high-schooler at mind and actually have a brain, and two, you're not cheap. Another thing you have to consider is the bouncers.  They have a job to do, that's why they are hired.  Not to mention the "regulars" at the bar aren't going to put up with the shit from these one hit wonder people. Just my 2 cents

[HDawesome]

Ok Moe, (pardon me I am just using you as an example cause you were the last to reply)

I am your average run of the mill low life that is hanging out in a bar, maybe I am there with 2 or 3 other guys. After a bit, I walk over and make a friend of yours "uncomfortable", when confronted all I want to do is start a fight. So now you come over, figuring you will do as you said, talk the whole thing out and buy me a drink. Now the funny thing is that I am not really interested in talking the whole thing out ... I dont want to talk to you Period. To me, you are just another shmuck who should mind his own business but  maybe I will feel out a conversation and tugg you along and make you think that I care but when it comes down to it I am going to be laughing about you and your friend with my buddies later.

Now I got my drink from you, and you might look like a highroller to your people but to me you look like a Chump. Now for the rest of the night I keep coming back to you cause I figure you're my bitch.

What do you do now?


What I am getting at, is this "Lover not a Fighter" - "Be the Bigger man" shit works in the movies ... not with some Juice head who is looking for a fight anyway.

[MoebiusSA]

You are absolutely right HD...if the guy is just looking for a fight then there isn't anything you can do about it.  I would rather find a way to settle it without fighting, but then again there are some times you just can't.  Luckily alot of my friends aren't as level headed as me.  Honestly if they saw me try and talk to the guy and buy him a drink they'd probably break it over his head. They love to fight...me however would rather not, unless (like many of you have stated), they were all touchy with the girl I was with or shit like that.  It's just a plain and simple fact that me fighting would just intrude on my drinking time.

[millzkillz]

I don't know what's up with those people that start trouble. Common sense if you are in a crowded bar you are going to get something spilled on you,pushed/shoved, & someone's steping on your foot.

[liquidj]

Bar Fights are great!!!  When those sausage heads get thrown out it just leaves more of a selection for me.  ha ha ha

[liquidj]

Oh yeah.. I also forgot.. if youre going to a bar thats packed chances are you are going to get something spilled on you anyway... everybody does.  You just gotta have a good attitude about it.

[bh487]

Clint Eastwood and John Wayne no longer exist in today's world.  Men are not allowed to be men about things and unfortunately those repressed feelings come out when men are drinking.

Today's society constantly says "Violence does not solve anything".  With that in mind, men are no longer allowed to settle disputes physically.  We know that we will be put in jail, have to got to court, lose our jobs, or have to explain the black eye to everyone (including the boss) on Monday morning.

That all being said, we still have the need to push out our chest and show dominance.  Too many guys have seen the movies or heard about an uncle, or father, talk about how they got into a bar fight and "settled it like men".  This makes guys feel like they have something to prove.  Add in the frustration from work, the bills, or the girlfriend it makes most men want to explode.

The difference is most guys have not had the physical, gentmen like confrontation.  A guy that has a friend "holding him back" is probably not that angry.  He has probably never been knocked out.  Those are the guys that have the fights and disrupt the good time of fellow patrons. But, believe me, it is their frustration and their need to puff out their chest that is driving them.  They are most likely scared of the actual confrontation.  Their beer muscles make them think they want it, but their sober mind would never condone it.

Back to the idea of Clint Eastwood or John Wayne.  They acted like real men.  You don't ever look for trouble.  You never allow yourself or your companion to be disrespected.  But, IF you have been there before and you realize who you are dealing with you know the outcome.  So with that, why would you ever even acknowledge the low life that disrupts your good time.

Those guys in bar fights are the same men that hold no merit.  They don't matter.  If there is a problem, take care of it.  Don't become part of the problem.

If those guys that start the bar fight were really that tough, they would end a confrontation before it started.