ANOTHER REDICULIOUS RULE !

[fresh24]

I don't know about you, but this ban is not only annoying but it's founded on a rediculious premis .
First off - why can people in South Jersey smoke in CASINOS , but not in bars ? Are gamblers less improtant then drinkers ? Or is it that they dare not mess with the money that gambling brings in ? hmmmmmm.....

Secondly : ever notice an establishment of ANY KIND that has a sign " we have the right to refuse your business  for any reason "  ??
Then how come if I PAY FOR and I BUILD , and I DESIGN   MY BAR/PIZZA PLACE /CLUB whatever..
I cant put a sign up that says I CATER TO SMOKERS ?
as long as there is a PRE WARNING TO PEOPLE COMING IN that there WILL BE SMOKING INSIDE , this should be ok .
This law FORCES me to cater to NON SMOKERS . Haveing a New Business is so tough to begin with . Now YOU get to dictate what clientel I have to cater to ??
thats Bull !
what do you think ?

[Lexi]

Well, not sure what to say but, that does suck because now you might not get as much business as you would have before the ban went into effect.

[NickDavid]

I don't know about you, but this ban is not only annoying but it's founded on a rediculious premis .
First off - why can people in South Jersey smoke in CASINOS , but not in bars ? Are gamblers less improtant then drinkers ? Or is it that they dare not mess with the money that gambling brings in ? hmmmmmm.....

Secondly : ever notice an establishment of ANY KIND that has a sign " we have the right to refuse your business  for any reason "  ??
Then how come if I PAY FOR and I BUILD , and I DESIGN   MY BAR/PIZZA PLACE /CLUB whatever..
I cant put a sign up that says I CATER TO SMOKERS ?
as long as there is a PRE WARNING TO PEOPLE COMING IN that there WILL BE SMOKING INSIDE , this should be ok .
This law FORCES me to cater to NON SMOKERS . Haveing a New Business is so tough to begin with . Now YOU get to dictate what clientel I have to cater to ??
thats Bull !
what do you think ?

LOL! The smoking ban has not affected the nj bar scene at all. Incase you've been in a coma for the last 50 years, smoking is horrible for your health and causes many diseases. Just like your thread, I guess you're not smart enough to realize your hurting yourself if you smoke.

People are supposed to work at bettering themselves. Not staying down in a hole and watching everyone else walk by.

[XclubXKXbtchX]

I THINK its a FUCKED Up rule even some clubs in NY HAVE SMOKIN INSIDE THE CLUBS ... i mean cmon isnt that were we got the idea of it and if we wanna kill ourselves to the comment above me then so be it .. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW WHAT WERE DOIN SO LET US DO IT ... AND DONT discriminate against us ...

[sofie420]

This message is directed to Nick David. We know that smoking ciggs are unhealthy...But what about drinking alcohol...thats un healthy too and you still do it... so if drinking is legal (which impairs your eye site and judgment) why can't smoking be legal in bars...u can smoke yourself 10 ciggs and won't have a blurred vision....you have yourself 10 drinks and you can't even walk...so before u judge smokers, judge yourself. we are all adults here..we all know the facts...so just get over it already... 

[snwbrdr8]

yes, drinking isn't healthy... but you're only affecting your own body. with smoking, you're affecting everyone else around you. second hand smoke is worse because we get the unfiltered end of your smoke. just because you don't care if you get lung cancer or die, doesn't mean others around you want the same... so don't you think that's a little selfish?

[pgoins]

The only rediculous about this rule is that NJ waited as long as they did to impliment it.  I was California when they banned smoking and it was great.  Bars got busier and even the smokers appreciated not coming smelling like 50 different brands of cigarettes.  I moved back to Jersey and had to deal with idiots that still think smoking makes them cool.  I've been tending bar for 14 years (part time for last 7 years), and even though had gotten used to the smoke it was a most welcome step forward for all of us behind the sticks.  We are just as busy, if not busier.  More people are coming out and staying longer.

Sofie, it's not about YOU!!!  Your post just goes to show how ignorant some smokers are.  It's about the second hand smoke what affects those around you.  I can't even come close to estimate how many times I've had customers who were about to order food at the bar when someone plops down next to them, lights ups, and drives the customer away.  I guy sitting next to you at Applebees having few beers is not going to affect you at all.  Whereas the smoker chain smoking his life away next you is just stupid.  So you not only have to get over it...YOU HAVE TO GET IT FIRST!!!.

Maybe if the smokers were more considerate around others who weren't smoking this law would have never been needed.  How many times have you seen a smoker light up next to someone eating the bar.  Most aren't even smart enough to move the ash tray over to the oppisite side without being asked.  The place I work has bamboo wood floors that had to be redone time after time because apparently smokers can just put their butts out anywhere they please even though there are ash trays EVERYWHERE!!!

So far, the smoking ban is great.  Not even a question about it.  No said you have to stop smoking.  Most places have ample space outdoors for you to do so.  So slirp down your Appletini's and get over it already.

[chocolatte]

yes, drinking isn't healthy... but you're only affecting your own body. with smoking, you're affecting everyone else around you. second hand smoke is worse because we get the unfiltered end of your smoke. just because you don't care if you get lung cancer or die, doesn't mean others around you want the same... so don't you think that's a little selfish?

But how long has smoking been going on in bars...since forever. Its no secret what goes on in bars so if people dont wanna be around the smoke then find a place to go where there is no smoking.  This is how we like to enjoy ourselves by going out and having a drink along with a smoke, relax and hang out with friends or whatever and now u people have ruined that 

[snwbrdr8]

yes, drinking isn't healthy... but you're only affecting your own body. with smoking, you're affecting everyone else around you. second hand smoke is worse because we get the unfiltered end of your smoke. just because you don't care if you get lung cancer or die, doesn't mean others around you want the same... so don't you think that's a little selfish?

But how long has smoking been going on in bars...since forever. Its no secret what goes on in bars so if people dont wanna be around the smoke then find a place to go where there is no smoking.  This is how we like to enjoy ourselves by going out and having a drink along with a smoke, relax and hang out with friends or whatever and now u people have ruined that 

So, because we don't want to inhale all that crap, we can't go to the bars and enjoy ourselves too? What about the non-smokers working at the bars who have no choice but to be there? Quit being ignorant and selfish, and thinking only of yourself. If the smoking law has "ruined" the bars for you, then why don't you listen to your own advice... go find a place where you can smoke till your heart's content. Besides, no one's stopping you from smoking when you're out at the bars... you just need to step outside. It's not that difficult. I don't think I need to say much more... pgoins has already said it all.

[badassbunny]

Wait.. u mean to tell me that when a restaurant would have a smoking/non smoking section, separated by a wall that's only raised roughly 1 foot above the table, the smoke doesn't automatically stop? It doesn't realize?

I gotta agree with the fellow snowboarder, as well as a few others.. how can u smokers truly bitch about this? By us nonsmokers sitting at a bar NOT smoking- it doesn't affect u at ALL. However, as it's already been said, when u light up, with no care or regard for others around u, not only are u making our throat burn, our eyes water, our hair n clothes reek, but ur causing proven harm to our health.

I lived in DE for the past 5 yrs n I loved that the bars/restaurants are all smoke free. I smoke occassionally, n I have no problem at all stepping outside for a few drags.

See, the the thing is, everybody is born a nonsmoker. It's a filthy habit u picked up at some young age in order to look cool [cuz that's truly the only reason anybody would start smoking- after all the education u get in elementary school]. If u had the choice to start smoking, u also have the choice to stop. We have chosen to not smoke, so becuz ur stoopid n are slowly killing urself, ur dumbass decision shouldn't hafta affect us [cigarettes vs alcohol].

As for the alcohol thing.. the only time ur drinking affects others is when u drink n drive, n seriously, nobody should be that retarded. If u make such a poor decision, u deserve whatever the fock happens to u..

oh yeah, n it's RIDICULOUS with an 'i' not an 'e.' I hate how everybody spells that word incorrectly.

[Lover123]

Um, badass you're quite contradictory in the sense that you smoke occasionally and then go on to say

It's a filthy habit u picked up at some young age in order to look cool [cuz that's truly the only reason anybody would start smoking- after all the education u get in elementary school]. If u had the choice to start smoking, u also have the choice to stop. We have chosen to not smoke, so becuz ur stoopid n are slowly killing urself, ur dumbass decision shouldn't hafta affect us

so I guess when you go out and have your "few drags" you're doing it to fit in and be cool?

Everyone is born a non-smoker, non-drinker, non-drug addict and everyone starts trying or doing that stuff not only bc of peer pressure or to look cool but out of curiosity, seeing their parents or older siblings do it and other reasons. I think you're being quite condescending to those who make the choice to smoke by saying they only do it to look cool. In case you didn't already know, smoking is an addiction and can be quite hard for some to quit. It doesn't make a person "stoopid" (as you put it) but rather its a decision that a person makes.

Your take on alcohol is also quite off.

As for the alcohol thing.. the only time ur drinking affects others is when u drink n drive, n seriously, nobody should be that retarded. If u make such a poor decision, u deserve whatever the fock happens to u

Alcohol hurts the liver, kills brain cells and can hurt other organs in the body. Drinking can effect others when you're too hammered to take care of yourself, think you have beer muscles, are that extremely loud drunk everyone hates, and so on.

You said how being a non-smoker doesn't effect smokers and you're wrong, bitching people out, throwing insults around and pushing your beliefs on people who don't agree with you can be quite annoying. I really don't understand where you get off talking down to people like this but you basically just showed how "stoopid" you are. You should really reconsider speaking unless you can give an intelligent opinion.

[badassbunny]

^ Actually, as for my own personal smoking, I never even bought my own pack until this past winter. I don't often don't smoke around others- usually I'll have 1 during my lunch break, or on the drive home, by myself. I like the ocassional smoke becuz it relaxes me, n I get a temp head-high, but I'm far from addicted. It's not a habit for me. I can go about my daily life without craving nicotine.

I understand it's a curiousity thing, but u don't become addicted after 1 or 2 or even 5 packs. So stop. Ur only curious about something once. Go ahead, cave to peer pressure, be curious, whatever, but that's not a valid reason for continuing to smoke. It could be a personality thing, I dunno, I never did the research. Weak willed or strong willed, *shrug*

My take on alcohol was just a quick comment. DWI requires less alcohol consumption than somebody who drinks too much. To lose control of urself while ur drinking is irresponsible, IMO, while drinking n driving is dumb- aside from illegal n dangerous.

As far as bitching ppl out, insulting, n name calling- speak for urself. u called me out specifically, yet others have been offering their 'condescending opinions' as well. I don't see u quoting them.

So let's not be contradictory.

oh, n if my OPINION has bothered u so much, who the fuck cares? It's the internet. Take a step back. Go out to ur bar, smoke ur cigarettes outside, n forget about me.

[NickDavid]

This message is directed to Nick David. We know that smoking ciggs are unhealthy...But what about drinking alcohol...thats un healthy too and you still do it... so if drinking is legal (which impairs your eye site and judgment) why can't smoking be legal in bars...u can smoke yourself 10 ciggs and won't have a blurred vision....you have yourself 10 drinks and you can't even walk...so before u judge smokers, judge yourself. we are all adults here..we all know the facts...so just get over it already... 

smoking affects yourself and others. drinking does not.

come up with a better argument.

[HDawesome]

Generally restaurants in had an invisible line of air that came down between the sections which prevented all but the most direct smoke from passing onto the other side ( save someone smoking and blowing the smoke directly into the section. )

The same idea is implemented in the refrigerated areas of supermarkets ( milks, juice, and Cheese) to keep the shelf at the federal temperature while leaving the 1 foot section away comfortable.


Smoke is bad for you, no doubt, but the argument that non-smokers are worst off cause they dont have the benefit of a filter is pretty stupid, the smoke that you would be breathing in secondhandly would have previously been twice filter, from the filter of the cigarette and the smokers lungs. I agree its still bad for you, but thats an ignorant argument to justify it.

[pgoins]

Generally restaurants in had an invisible line of air that came down between the sections which prevented all but the most direct smoke from passing onto the other side ( save someone smoking and blowing the smoke directly into the section. )

If you buy that, i got a bridge from Toms River to Seaside I'd like to sell you.  I don't know about the rest of you, but I've worked  a lot of places and not one of them had this system.  Yes it is available,  but mayboe 1% of restaurants have them.  I work at one of the newest most places in monmouth county.  They spared absolutely no expense on the new building and they don't even have this system.